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ForeignPolicy

Mumbai Attacks: Piecing Together the Story

AlterNet. Posted December 1, 2008.


There's a lot more to the India attacks than CNN and the New York Times have been reporting. Here's an alternative guide to the story.
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There is a torrent of information and analysis on the recent attacks in Mumbai, but much of the story is nowhere to be seen in the American mainstream media. Here's a guide to what you might have missed:

What happened? 

Saikat Datta of Outlook India writes that by mid-September, Indian agencies knew that the attack would come from the sea, and by mid-November they knew that the Taj hotel would be targeted. And yet the attacks still happened. A blow-by-blow account of how the plan to attack Mumbai by sea was hatched and executed.

"Armed police would not fire back -- I wish I'd had a gun, not a camera." Jerome Taylor talked to the photographer whose picture of one of the attackers went around the world for the Independent. "Sebastian D'Souza, a picture editor at the Mumbai Mirror, whose offices are just opposite the city's Chhatrapati Shivaji station, heard the gunfire erupt and ran towards the terminus. 'I ran into the first carriage of one of the trains on the platform to try and get a shot but couldn't get a good angle, so I moved to the second carriage and waited for the gunmen to walk by,' he said. 'They were shooting from waist height and fired at anything that moved. I briefly had time to take a couple of frames using a telephoto lens. I think they saw me taking photographs but they didn't seem to care.' "

There is a first-person account by KG Prasad, a technical worker who was among the survivors in the Taj Mahal Hotel attacks -- He writes in the Indian Weekly, Tehelka, "I haven't slept in the last four days, and I haven't been able to enjoy a good meal either. Nothing has been possible. I was stuck there for just eight hours. Imagine those who were in there for 48 hours. I'm trying to think of this as an incident that has made me braver." Rachel Williams from the The Guardian also collected a series of short first-person accounts of the attacks.

Who Was Behind the Attacks?

-- In the U.K. Comment Is Free, William Dalrymple argues that "the links between the Mumbai attacks and the separatist struggle in Kashmir have become ever more explicit. There now seems to be a growing consensus that the operation is linked to the Pakistan-based jihadi outfit, Lashkar-e-Taiba, whose leader, Hafiz Muhammad Sayeed, operates openly from his base at Muridhke outside Lahore. This probable Pakistani origin of the Mumbai attacks, and the links to Kashmir-focused jihadi groups, means that the horrific events have to be seen in the context of the wider disaster of Western policy in the region since 9/11. The abject failure of the Bush administration to woo the people of Pakistan and Afghanistan away from the Islamists and, instead, managing to convince many of them of the hostility of the West towards all Muslim aspirations, has now led to a gathering catastrophe in Afghanistan, where the once-hated Taliban are now again at the gates of Kabul."

Saurabh Shukla of India Today offers an alternative scenario to Dalrymple, reporting that while the actual attack may have been carried out by Lashkar-e-Taiba, sources say the planning and financing could have been done by a lethal cocktail of terror group led by al-Qaida.

Yoichi Shimatsu of New America Media suggests that the Mumbai attacks carry the signature of Dawood Ibrahim, a multimillionaire owner of a construction company in Karachi, Pakistan. Although well known in South Asia, his is hardly a household name around the world like Osama bin Laden. Shobhita Naithani of Tehelka interviewed a former joint director of the India Intelligence Bureau, Maloy Krishna Dhar, who echoes Shimatsu: "I'm definite that without the help of Dawood Ibrahim, this would not have been possible. [The attackers] couldn't have known such details about the hotels."

Sandip Roy of New America Media argues that the gun-toting, Versace T-shirt-wearing assailant whose image was beamed across the world at the start of the terrorist attacks in Mumbai could as easily have been one of the victims as one of the terrorists.


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Hate as foreign policy
Posted by: pete ess on Dec 1, 2008 2:57 AM   
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The whole US (and British?) hierarchy: Political, official, diplomatic, "intelligence" (!), never mind military, operates from a lowbrow, parochial, bigoted and above all IGNORANT starting point in any dealings with people who are different.

When your religion tells you that you already KNOW that "these people" are sinners, - never mind when it tells you that "armageddon" is desirable (!) - any hope of a rational approach is but a faint one.

And the "new" USA/British approach?? Obama?? Can we ("the other 6 000 million") expect any better? Many of us are not holding our breath.

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» Free US from Israel Posted by: weathered
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Cui Bono?
Posted by: GatoPreto on Dec 1, 2008 3:14 AM   
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The Military-industrial-Media complex: check. US Hawks looking fo more wars to sell their warez: check. The Hindu ruling elite in India: check.
etc.
War is and has always been a scam. See the BBC's The Power of Nightmares for more info on the phony unending 'War on Terror'. Orwell warned the world about this over 60 years ago.

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» RE: Cui Bono? Posted by: daniel1982
» RE: Cui Bono? Posted by: EncinoM
» Poor EncinoMan Posted by: schiffer
» EncinoM on reasonable ground Posted by: bingahaba
» War Is A Racket Posted by: 2dogarage
» RE: War Is A Racket Posted by: aonghus36
» RE: Cui Bono? Posted by: AlterLiz
People still think Bush is stupid
Posted by: pete ess on Dec 1, 2008 3:16 AM   
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"Yet the Bush administration in its folly (my emphasis) allied itself to General Pervez Musharaf and the Pakistani army post-9/11, ensuring that jihadi groups always had a base."

After all his successes why do people still think Bush is stupid? If you WANT a war, if you WANT to supply both sides with arms, if you WANT Armageddon, if you WANT your paymasters' companies to make billions in war supply, if - anyway - GOD himself instructed you to kill and prosper, THAT'S NOT STUPID, people!

That's called efficiently doing your (God- and Haliburton-given) job!

Maybe Bush was stupid trusting his people to self-police their greed on the stock exchange, but in this war game? I don't think so!

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» RE: People still think Bush is stupid Posted by: Bill in Detroit
How much different could it all have been.
Posted by: wisegalah on Dec 1, 2008 3:26 AM   
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If Bush had the brains to see that force would never solve the problem of terrorism, anywhere.
If Bush had not been surrounded by other psychopaths whose aggendas were many and varied ranging from fundamental christianity to greed for oil.
If the West, lead by USofA, had 1. approached the governments of the countries of the Muslim countries, 2. enlisted their aid in dealing with extremist groups, 3. supported them but not interfered in their affairs, 4. spent a small fraction of the money squandered in Iraq and Afghanistan on supporting community, health and education projects in those countries, 5. resisted the urge to strike out in some lived out form of infantile omnipotence to bash those who have given hurt.
Unfortunately America refuses to grow up and on over one hundred occasions has invaded and brow-beaten other countries until their political systems have collapsed and something some more to American taste is installed. Never lasts of course.
Bush is just one of the more glaring embodiments of American infantilism. Too immature, too stupid and too inexperienced to learn. Too rigid and self satisfied to intertain the idea that anyone non-American can be have valuable ideas or a way of life from which America could learn anything.
Is this true of all Americans? Of course not but where the hell were the intelligent, and competent when the Supreme court handed Bush the Presidency and then the creep was re-elected!!

And now having created the most dangerous situation the world has ever experienced, Bush and his fellow criminals are about to leave the scene.

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» You still don't get it - Do you? Posted by: The Old Hippie
» RE: You still don't get it - Do you? Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
Silliest article of the week
Posted by: rfirehock on Dec 1, 2008 5:08 AM   
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The breathless promise of this article was hardly fulfilled in the reading thereof. Rather than deep insights or little known facts, it's a collection of random comments by everyone from Joe the Night Soil Collector to people who sound like they should know something but obviously don't know more than what they heard on CNN/

Alternet, you could spend your time and effort better.

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» To be fair... Posted by: BreeMass
» RE: To be fair... Posted by: Quannah
Poppy Bush's CIA and the ban on INDUSTRIAL HEMP went a long ways towards this mess.
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 1, 2008 5:34 AM   
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So when will the "left" work on ABOLISHING the CIA or at least a major reform? And when are we gonna stop importing oil from the Saudis and get rid of the ban on growing hempseed oil for all our needs as it can replace petroleum 100% ? As long as you people keep ignoring these realities, you will be stuck in the LOSERS' column.

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I thought...
Posted by: daniel1982 on Dec 1, 2008 5:44 AM   
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that with the election of Obama, the world would love Americans again.

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Who wrote this article?
Posted by: ladyoracle on Dec 1, 2008 5:48 AM   
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I live in southeast asia as an american expat, and I appreciate the fresh perspective, but I wonder why all the self-apologizing in the article whose authorship is unattributed?

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Ahem...
Posted by: starsailor on Dec 1, 2008 6:11 AM   
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...Mossad

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» RE: Ahem... Posted by: EncinoM
» I wouldn't trust Posted by: weathered
» RE: Ahem... Posted by: BreeMass
Give me a break
Posted by: bcainw on Dec 1, 2008 6:24 AM   
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The article states:

the horrific events have to be seen in the context of the wider disaster of Western policy in the region since 9/11. The abject failure of the Bush administration to woo the people of Pakistan and Afghanistan away from the Islamists and, instead, managing to convince many of them of the hostility of the West towards all Muslim aspirations

What a load of crap. Muslim aspirations are to form a Global Caliphate under Islamic Sharia Law which is a misogynistic system that does not respect women, freedom of expression or the most basic of human rights. Such aspirations deserve to be addressed with disdain and disapproval.

The odd little problem is that the US has supported Islamic extremists at least as early as 1980 when Bresinski employed Bin Laden and the Taliban in order to extricate the Russians from Afghanistan and set up oil pipelines from the Caspian Sea. And part of this plan involved funding the ISI which is now spreading Islamic Fundamentalism througout the planet.

The to make things even worse Bush pushed for "democracy" without insisting on a balance against tyranny, which would require a "Bill of Rights" in order to insure religious freedom etc. This has resulting in the Islamic conversion of Lebanon, Kosovo and other countries into Islamic states.

Since such policy initiatives would so obviously empower Islamism you really have to start asking the question "why?"

While we attempt to answer that riddle it is important that we stop ALL immigration into the United States; especially immigration from Islamic countries. Our future depends on it less we want to see "Mubia" reoccur in Detroit, New York etc.

Bruce W. Cain
Editor, New Age Citizen
www.newagecitizen.com

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» RE: Show me the evidence Posted by: Ydotheyhateus
» RE: Give me a break Posted by: Last Chance
» Seriously? Posted by: BreeMass
» RE: Seriously? Posted by: f2411
» RE: Give me a break Posted by: leighsure
gg
Posted by: yarn on Dec 1, 2008 6:33 AM   
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Sorry to whoever wrote this article. All this information--and the speculation, too--has been available in the NYTimes and elsewhere. There's nothing radical or new here, but lots of the old thinking. "Blame America" isn't a policy suggestion, after all, especially when "what they aren't telling you" turns out to be what they told you.

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» The NY Times died on 9/11 Posted by: weathered
How much?
Posted by: GrannyBgood on Dec 1, 2008 7:15 AM   
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How much are the lives of OUR cannon-fodder kids worth to OUR Terrorist government?
THERE's the rub.
They'll no doubt use this to justify a larger "Waronterra" instead of acknowledging and removing the cause of it.

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Deja vu?
Posted by: NCK on Dec 1, 2008 7:15 AM   
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I am suspicious about this whole episode. If what is said is true, the route of the attackers was known, and so was the target... so why did it happen... unless, maybe, it was part of the plan that they must not be stopped. If so...why? Could this be another "red flag" operation to cast Pakistan as a villain and so justify another "shock and awe"... just to relieve the "terrorists" of the nukes and make the world a safer place off course. In other words, Iraq part 2 (former ally made a villian than invaded and occupied).It is all so easy.. thanks to those stupid Muslims.

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Ten Muslim Nuts Attack A MAJOR Financial District..This is where I came in
Posted by: joeocho88 on Dec 1, 2008 7:17 AM   
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The Conspiracy Theorists are going to have a field day with this one.

It just might have similarities to the 911 Incident in New York City except these guys came in by boat and the one who survived ( agent provocateur?) claimed they were from Pakistan.

Guess they can't get their war with Iran so Pakistan will have to do. After all, Pearl Harbor got us involved in a worldwide conflict that got us out of the last Depression! ( Oh, everybody has NUKES now that they didn't have back then? It won't matter to these out of touch people who think that 80 percent of us need to be eliminated anyway cause we are "useless eaters.")

A LOT of American high tech corporations relocated to India where the education was high and the wages for that highly educated labor was dirt cheap. This was after American outrage over all these ALIENS coming in on VISAS and taking jobs away from Americans in our own country for less than AMERICANS were making prompted these GREEDY tech types to pack up their tents and bring wage slavery to the Third World...

Has India become a vassal of US Corporate as much as Israel is supposed to be?

I wonder about a lot of things since 911....

Why are these guys always Muslims?

Who trained these guys and who ULTIMATELY bought the weaponry they used?WHO PAID FOR THE TRAINING?

The Lone Nut who survived claimed it was the Intelligence Service of Pakistan, the last I heard about it.

In the meantime, I look for another incident to happen closer to home to make us FORGET about all of the stealing, the corruption, the financial debacle, the missing money that was put aside and is probably in the Caymans or some other bank with no disclosure agreement.
AND TO MAKE US FORGET ABOUT JOBLESSNESS and INCREASING HOME FORECLOSURES CAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A JOB, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO PAY ANY KIND OF MORTGAGE RENEGOTIATED OR OTHERWISE...
AND WHILE THE OUT OF TOUCH PEOPLE GIVE MONEY TO THE GUYS WHO MADE THESE SHYSTER,TRICKSTER LOANS TO PEOPLE WHO PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE SIGNING, THE ORDINARY PEOPLE WHO WERE LIED TO ARE STILL BECOMING HOMELESS!

IF AND YOU CAN'T PAY YOUR PROPERTY TAXES, YOU SUDDENLY BECOME HOMELESS WHEN THEY TAKE YOUR HOME AWAY FROM YOU!

Maybe this latest staged incident will get them the total world war involvement they want to wipe out us useless eaters because they figure we can be replaced with computerized automation. AND -- BONUS FOR THEM -- they can keep making money like they did selling weapons and services to the military in AFGHANISTAN and IRAQ...

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» Vassal states Posted by: BlueTigress
» RE: Vassal states Posted by: yellow
» RE: Why always muslims? Posted by: stellabloo
» Oh for God's sake! Posted by: BreeMass
Frederick the Leveller
Posted by: leveller on Dec 1, 2008 7:42 AM   
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Regarding the terrorist atack on Mumbai and the relationship between the Pakistani ISI,
Al Queda and the Taliban. It is important to point out that it wasn't only the ISI that created Al Queda and the Taliban. Saudi Arabia and the CIA was were up to their necks in it. Osama bin Laden was supported and Al-Queda created by the Saudis, the ISI and the CIA first to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. Under an agreement for Soviet withdrawal all support for such groups was supposed to end, but the US saw Osama bin Laden and Al Queda as an "asset" to be used to advance US geostrategic/political/economic interests re. the Soviets and China. Talk about 'He who sows the wind...' The Taliban was created by the CIA, the Saudis and Pakistan when Al Queda turned against the US and Saudi Arabia. According to one expert on this subject, at one point the US taxpayer was paying the wages of the entire Taliban civil service, and its leaders were taken over to Texas to meet oil company executives.(It was all about oil and gas pipelines from the Caspian Sea area through Afghanistan to the coast of Pakistan so as to avoid going near Iran or Russia.) TheTaliban leaders were hosted in Texas by the niece of a previous director of the CIA. This strategy is still in place and maybe Al Queda is still regarded as a valuable "asset" for use by the US in this strategic struggle too. Mumbai may have been organised by elements in the ISI who
were radicalised in religious schools years ago, perhaps using materials produced by the Saudis and printed by the US. The best book I have read on the origins of Al Queada and the Taliban is Nafeez Mossadedeq Ahmed's book, The War on Truth. ISBN 874437 059-3. If you haven't read it, then this book will really open your eyes to the monumental hypocrisy surrounding this subject.

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Alternet has a lot of good articles. This isn't one.
Posted by: aalif ba ta tha on Dec 1, 2008 8:37 AM   
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So it's the USA's fault when Lashkar-e-Taiba attacks India because we have failed "to woo the people of Pakistan and Afghanistan away from the Islamists?" Are you serious? The ISI is the apparatus that is knee deep in most of Pak's terror groups, and they are a bunch of elites and military brass who could care less about Pakistani popular opinion. In any case, the idea that we can somehow gain the support of the people of Pakistan is a fantasy. Bin Laden is a hero there. And the implicit suggestion that India somehow allowed a Pakistani terrorist group to come into their country, commit a massacre and possibly start a war between two nuclear powers is laughable.

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One good thing
Posted by: 876 on Dec 1, 2008 9:51 AM   
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Maybe now naïve Americans will finally learn to tell a Hindu from a Muslim.

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» That would be nice Posted by: BreeMass
» RE: One good thing Posted by: Quannah
I just stopped reading this article right here...
Posted by: Ghoulman on Dec 1, 2008 12:04 PM   
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"4000 madrassas, martyrdom academies"

A Madrassah IS NOT A "martyrdom academie". Please!

The fact is, American articles about "Al Queda" or "Al Qa'ida" or what-the-fuck-ever are incredibly racist, ignorant, and this article is a good example.

To start with, there is no such thing as international terrorism. There is no Al Queda, no matter how you spell the fucker. They are called "Islamic Jihad". They are NOT organized but a fundamentalist movement famous for blowing up innocent people all over the middle east in the 90s. This is why the leading figure of Islamic Jihad, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and other (mostly Saudi) extremists went to Afghanistan back then. They were in hiding. This included Osama Bin Laden (whom Zawahiri made a leading priest figure second only to him). Why Afghanistan? The chance to kill infidels (Russians) and get American money.

The CIA called these guys Al Quaeda. They never called themselves that. Not until after 9/11. Now, it's the best branding Islamic Jihad ever got. Heck, Washington spent billions in such propaganda creating the myth of international terrorism and Bin Laden and Zawahiri as villains. Which makes them heros in Jihadist circles. Drives me fucking crazy.

Sure, the madrassahs in Pakistan are overwhemingly the "Koran and Kalashnikov" type of extreemist school. But that certainly doesn't mean ALL madrassahs are such.

Does it.

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» As Faux News found out... Posted by: BreeMass
and liberals want gun control!?!
Posted by: jstepp590 on Dec 1, 2008 12:55 PM   
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I'm not saying that shooting people is something to aspire to. However, if just one in ten of those victims had been armed the terrorists would have been in a bloodbath, their own.

Using proper gun controls, such as vetting through official security apparatus for instability and criminal records, armed and licensed citizens who can defend themselves and the people in their society can mean the difference between being victims or not. Gun control, i.e. meaning getting rid of all of them, is absurd in concept and dangerously naive in practice. Hitler was a firm believer in it, which is as good an example of why not to have it as I've ever seen.

I know I'll get a lot of flack for writing this on this site but I really do not care. Firearms are a tool, used for a specific purpose. In times of crisis those who have them are in charge and those who do not are powerless victims. Anyone that doesn't think so need to have their heads examined for delusional ideology.

Israel used to have attacks just like this and they armed their citizens just as I mentioned. Guess what? No more attacks like this, they had to switch to bombing instead. It's an imperfect solution to an imperfect world but it has been proven effective historically.

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Not a Good Article
Posted by: Shankari46 on Dec 1, 2008 5:05 PM   
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These articles assume that we know who was involved with our own 911. With Bush in charge, I'm fairly sure that we still don't know or are covering the whole thing up. I'm not sure if I blame this on complete incompetence or outright evil on Bush's part. That being said, I would not be surprised if this was a false flag operation. After all Bush would like a reason to invade Pakistan.

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The 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings
Posted by: MeyravLevine on Dec 1, 2008 9:35 PM   
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were initially blamed on Islamic Militants, as usual. The bombings killed at least 68 people and injured many.

Turns out, the right-wing Hindu nationslists are behind the bombings.

An Indian Army officer, Lt. Col. Prasad Purohit, was remanded in police custody till Nov 18 2008 to facilitate investigations into new leads pointing to his possible involvement in last year’s Samjhauta Express bomb blast in Haryana state.

Purohit was arrested for his suspected involvement in the Sep 29 bomb blast in Maharashtra’s Malegaon town which killed five people and was blamed on a Hindu militant group. This is the first case of a serving military officer being taken into police custody for terrorism related activities.A court in Nashik Wednesday allowed the police to interrogate Lt. Col. Srikant Purohit till Nov 15 to facilitate investigations in the bombing.

Mumbai police’s anti-terrorism squad (ATS) arrested Purohit late Tuesday, said a defence official in Delhi, who pleaded anonymity because his service rules do not allow him to speak to the media on record.

The accused army officer, who has served in the military engineering department, is said to be a founding member of the Abhinav Bharat, a radical Hindu right-wing group blamed for the Malegaon blasts.

The police suspect that Purohit helped bomb blast accused Sadhvi (Hindu missionary) Pragya Thakur, retired army Major Ramesh Upadhyaya and his associate Sharad Kulkarni in procuring explosives used in the blast. The three are already in police custody

BJP, and other right-wing Hindu extremists parties have been raging a war against minorities, including Sikhs, Dalits, and Muslims.

Somebody is out there to derail normalization of relationship between India and Pakistan.

Who could it be? Why bother investigating and just blame it all on Muslim Militants.

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stasha
Posted by: stasha on Dec 2, 2008 3:11 AM   
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I was disappointed in this story. What is needed is analysis of all the different tensions between Pakistan and India. Besides the obvious struggles that have existed since the "old time" colonialism, and before, from my findings in trying to gather information related to this, I find possible roots in the Kashmir situation, India's economic ties to the US (and therefore to Israel bringing up the Palestinian issue), the high level talks that had been happening, according to what I've read, between the leaders of both countries that seemed to point to possible lessening of tension (which could be threatening to some) over their mutual nuclear weapons. I suppose these are also conjecture but these possible motivations seem plausable enough to stir up responses such as anger and retaliation -- resulting in the need to make a point through planned death and mayhem. I'd like to know more about the roots and then, what can be done about them.

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Unbelievable that no one has mentioned Karkare or the Hindu extremists
Posted by: realtruther on Dec 2, 2008 12:23 PM   
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The attacks were not likely to have been orchestrated by Pakistani-linked Islamists. The attackers killed Hemant Karkare who had exposed the real perpetrators of the Malegaon attack as being Hindu extremists after which the BJP accused him of conducting a witch hunt:

Go back to the December 2001 incident at the Indian parliament and
see the flimsy case against the alleged perpetrators of *that* attack:

The world is at a crossroads and can choose between continuing to manufacture hatred and division based on lies on the one hand and speaking truth to terror on the other. False flag attacks, conducted by one power to blame on their enemies in order to justify actions that would otherwise be unpopular, are as old as warfare itself. We *do* have a choice, and all it requires is a little courage and some critical thinking. Or take the easy road of believing everything you see in a slick news report and denouncing anyone who dares to raise questions as a kook. This is much easier after all than to stand up for principle, and you will probably never suffer the consequences except to have to bear witness again and again to this type of attack around the world, until you too lose your humanity and begin to cry for the enemy's blood.

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it's wingnut time
Posted by: sharonsylvie on Dec 2, 2008 3:25 PM   
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The article is primarily speculation but the posted comments--plus what's showing up in the Pakistani media--are mostly nonsense. It's open season for the usual conspiracy-obsessed crazies. Pakistani media is blaming the C.I.A., the Mossad, and "Hindu Zionists."

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» explain this, yellow Posted by: realtruther
Politics of Fear... Again.
Posted by: matty848 on Dec 6, 2008 5:51 AM   
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Not a single post thus far has anything to do with India - good job. The article was awful as well. Maybe we should have someone who knows ANYTHING about India write the articles on India next time? Just a suggestion...

I've been in India for some months now, and the national fervor is scary. I was in the US after 9/11 (I know, I know, roll your eyes at another 9/11 reference, as I am, but this is important), and the politics of fear used then - and still being used now - are overtaking Indian media. Every news paper is inundated with questions of attacking Pakistan, creating a new POTA law (like the Patriot Act, but worse), degrading Muslims as all being terrorists, etc. etc.

Indians should be more worried about domestic terrorism (Gujarat 2002, BM Mosque, Orrisa Christians) by Hindu fundamentalists than anyone from the outside. The vast majority of terroristic murder in India come from fundamentalist Hindus attacking minorities. The Bajrang Dal, RSS, Siva Sena, VHP and other militant offshoots of the BJP have inflicted terror on adivasis, Dalits, Muslims and Christians ever since they were in power in the late 90s to early 2000s.

The media (vast majority of articles written by former members of the state) is running away with the national hate towards Pakistan and Muslims, and we can expect a new bombing campaign and genocide attempt against Muslims any day now.

There is virtually no good media out right now on the attacks. I suggest talking to Indian academics - email A. Roy or someone else - to find out what is going on in India right now.

Good luck to those working for social justice in India, and good riddance to the author.

-M

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It's about Kashmir, not Israel or Afghanistan
Posted by: Julian on Dec 6, 2008 9:41 PM   
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As in many other such disputes that open the way for terrorists, the problem lies in the denial of a people's right to democratic self-determination as in Article 1 of the UN Charter. At Independence in 1947, Kashmir had a Hindu prince and a Moslem population. The British gave Kashmir to India at the behest of the prince but the Kashmiris were promised a plebiscite to determine whether the territory went to Pakistan, stayed with India or became independent. There was no plebiscite. There is still no plebiscite. Kashmir is still occupied by gun-toting Indian overlords. My general sympathy is with India as one of the few democratic countries in Asia - but not over Kashmir. The Kashmiris should have their 6-decade belated plebiscite and the result should be respected. It's their right. Meanwhile the remaining live murderer who used Kashmir as an excuse to shoot up Bombay deserves everything the Indian interrogators may do to him. None of those murdered had anything to do with Kashmir and those who murdered them were vermin.

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